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SPINAL DECOMPRESSION – ATM2 – BACK PAIN – ACUTE LATERAL SHIFT
Manual Therapy + Spinal Decompression + ATM2 = Success! Case: Severe Low Back Pain - Acute Spinal Deformity (Lateral Shift). Caution: Many or Most Medical &/or Health Care Providers Simply Do Not Know How To Properly Treat An Acute Spinal Deformity Such As This! Procedures Are Subtle & They Must Be Skillfully Applied & Procedures Must Be Applied Immediately Upon Onset! Any Delay In Treatment Could Result In Treatment Failure! I have had patient's in the past with similar deformities who received 'Manipulation' by another health care provider which resulted in Severe Disc Protrusion Requiring Surgery!
September 15th, 2010 - 01:23
@ProPTRehab
Also have you ever heard of a case like mine in that my Pain has NEVER at any time been shooting, biting or sharp as in the classic Sciatica cases, rather my Pain is very dull, Languishing very heavy feeling of soreness and Fatigue evenly distributed throughout both legs , but my Lower back and my Feet are NOT affected at all and feel great, its Only in my Legs , they feel as if they weigh 1000 lbs each
September 15th, 2010 - 01:24
@ProPTRehab
Obviously i would Like to avoid any type of surgery if at all Possible
September 15th, 2010 - 01:42
@LegPains I will send you an email from the company that makes the ATM2. I want you to ask him to refer you to someone who has both Spinal Decompression and the ATM2 both. He might try to steer you to the ATM2 only, but I think using both could be beneficial, but you won’t know until examined. Even if you need surgery, the ATM2 can allow for pain-free strengthening prior to surgery so you will benefit in this regard even if you need surgery.
September 15th, 2010 - 01:49
@ProPTRehab
But the ATM2 is not designed to specifically treat bulging or herniated discs, its merely a machine designed to strengthen the spinal and back muscles, correct ?
September 15th, 2010 - 01:51
@LegPains as far as your symptoms, yes, I have heard of such symptoms. Usually if the symptoms are in both legs, the cord is being compressed, however, since you have a bilateral protrusion (at the same level?) then this is possible. Bilateral symptoms are rare unless the cord is compressed, but apparently in your case it’s not compressed as the report does not say this. If the symptoms are tolerable & weight bearing is an issue, the ATM2 may actually be better for you; I’d try both.
September 15th, 2010 - 02:02
@ProPTRehab
Thats correct my MRI says Nothing about my Cord being compressed . I can fully function in my Life , its just at a very reduced level , im only living at around 40 % of my capacity and enjoyment, but im able to go to work and function , but its obviously a miserable pathetic Life in so much Pain
if i have to i can run a Mile for example, but after that Mile My Legs feel as if i ran 30 Miles !
September 15th, 2010 - 02:05
@ProPTRehab
For the Last 12 years ive been talking to thousands of different people in Pain due to spinal issues trying to find someone with a similar problem to mine and in all honesty i havent been able to find a single person who has the same location and type of Leg pain that i have. Please do a video sometime specifcally explaining in depth How the ATM2 corrects disc issues
Where are you Located ?
September 15th, 2010 - 02:07
I would normally use Decompression/Tx for disc problems, however, MANY of my disc related patients have done well on ATM2. Regardless of what causes ur back pain, core muscles theoretically become dysfunctional & they stop stabilizing spine. Hence, ATM2 will still help get the multifidi to do it’s job; often pain relief occurs & pain-free strengthening is availed. However, I’ve treated some & they were fine w/tout problems a yr+ later. Just getting them to function may be most important thing
September 15th, 2010 - 02:09
@LegPains Make it easy for yourself. Go to backprojectDOTcom
It’s not going to necessarily change the status of your discs, but it can improve stability to your spine.
September 15th, 2010 - 02:22
@ProPTRehab
im sure its beneficial in some ways, as all Exercise obviously is, but if its not going to change the status and location of my Discs than it cant possibly reduce My current Pain by any significant level
as i said earlier My Back is already very strong , what i need is Pain reduction by a Physical method of moving the location of that stubborn Disc that is pressing on the Nerves
September 15th, 2010 - 02:24
@ProPTRehab
Stability to my spine is obviously beneficial, but if i understand all this correctly, its not going to do anything for reducing my Pain due to Disc bulges , correct ?
September 15th, 2010 - 02:26
@ProPTRehab
ok disregard that previous mssg. i see you answered that one here, thank you
September 15th, 2010 - 02:29
@ProPTRehab
in these 12 years ive had this Leg Pain, Remember the Pain has NEVER been in my Back at any time, ive lifted weights extensively at times and got super muscle bound and strong , yet the Pains in my legs never changed and symptoms and location never deviated at all
so im doubtful spine stabilizing exercises will reduce my Pain at all
September 15th, 2010 - 02:31
@ProPTRehab
ive also done extensive swimming , which i would assume is excellent at exercising and strengthing the spinal muscles , and while that allowed me to get in incredible physical condition and endurance, with an excellent muscled lean build, it NEVER changed the severity of my Pain in my Legs at all
September 15th, 2010 - 02:37
@ProPTRehab
The ATM2 is very similar and has the same Objective clinically to the Popular SPINE FORCE Machine , correct ?
September 15th, 2010 - 02:53
@LegPains With the discs the way they are, even if they don’t move, you still would benefit from core training via the ATM2. AS I said I would try Spinal Traction f/b ATM2 if I see they help and if they don’t work to keep pain away, I personally would continue the ATM2 and would consider surgery if it bothered me that much.
September 15th, 2010 - 02:55
@LegPains It very well may reduce your pain. Most of my patients with disc pathology have had there pain reduced or eliminated. Now with your problem, yes it can return, but at least your core muscles are being stimulated to maximize your pain-free function. If you are not satisfied, then you can opt for other treatments such as surgery.
September 15th, 2010 - 07:13
@ProPTRehab
do you think id get any significant Benefit or Pain relief from a Mckenzie PT program ?
September 15th, 2010 - 19:56
@LegPains You can maximize your spinal ROM, but I don’t think it’s going to change anything in your case. A good stabilization, therapeutic exercise program and possible ATM2 and Decomp as adjunct ‘may’ be helpful certainly not guaranteed. It’s always good to keep in good condition. I know you said you are doing this. The ATM2 is helpful with neural aspects of the core muscles (having them fire prior to lifting up objects to protect the spine).
September 15th, 2010 - 19:57
@LegPains It’s not the same at all, although using it probably provides some decent balance training..
September 15th, 2010 - 20:38
@LegPains Spine Force is working muscles, but it isn’t isolating the core. It may be a activating the core, but it’s also recruiting other muscles. The idea behind ATM2 is to isolate the core and minimize the surrounding global muscles which are already being overused to compensate for deficient spinal core muscles (theoretically speaking of course). It makes sense and the compressive belts take over control from the global muscles to isolate core muscles.
September 15th, 2010 - 20:40
@LegPains It may not change the position of the disc material, but it can help with the ramifications of dysfunctional core muscles to help stab the spine neurologically while you participate in ADLs.
September 15th, 2010 - 22:18
@ProPTRehab
What state are you located in ?
September 16th, 2010 - 00:11
@LegPains I used the ATM2 in the video here to help correct the lateral shift which is theoretically affecting disc hydrodynamics, so yes it can effect discs. A disc protrusion, maybe not, but it may not have to. It helps get core muscles to do what they are suppose to do so that when you partake in ADL’s those muscles will do their job and stabilize a segment, protecting it while you move.
September 16th, 2010 - 01:17
@LegPains NJ